On today’s episode of AppStories, Federico and I interview Andrew Ambrosino, the project lead for Codex. It’s a great conversation that covers a lot of ground, including:

• the long history and many iterations of Codex,
• the merging of Codex into a new version of ChatGPT based on web technologies,
• Computer Use and Computer History, which came along with OpenAI’s acquisition of Sky last year, and
• what goes into designing for user trust.

Then for AppStories+ subscribers, we dug into Andrew’s Mac origin story and some of his favorite Mac apps.

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